A look backwards and forwards, by José María Beneyto – Spanish Doctor of Law and Philosophy and Letters who has published books and articles on international law including The Government of Europe: Institutional Design of the European Union – and Renato Cisneros, Peruvian journalist and poet, notably for Algún día te mostraré el desierto (‘One day I will show you the desert’). They exchange their concerns about the advance of populism and nationalism and discuss the political reality in Europe and America with Italian writer and journalist Paola del Vecchio.