A conversation with the two greatest contemporary Spanish-language novelists of their respective generations. Cercas’ The Outlaws is a powerful novel of love and hate, of loyalty and betrayal, that explores true integrity and the prison that celebrity can become. Alternately narrated by a mother, father and son, Neuman’s Talking To Ourselves is a story about how we are transformed by loss, and how words and sex can serve as powerful modes of resistance. They talk to Daniel Hahn.