Law and legislation, politics and emotions, how does it work at the level of the civic society for a country, and how does these impact the legal and political fields? In conversation, Jaime Bermúdez Merizalde (Colombia), author of ¿Por qué incumplimos la ley? and Mauricio García Villegas (Colombia), author of El país de las emociones tristes. In conversation with Jorge Giraldo.