Despite the great difficulties they have experienced, independent bookshops and publishing houses have managed to create spaces for cooperation in order to get through the pandemic, facing up, at the same time, to the major and expanding role of the big e-commerce platforms. We will look at two experiences: RELI Red de Librerías Independientes (Mexico) and Todostuslibros.com (Spain). Claudia Bautista, from RELI and Jesús Trueba, from Todostuslibros.com talk to José Manuel Anta.